Posts by Captain Obvious

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[endif]i was just sent the article "creation declares the glory of god!

i think it might contain the stupidest paragraph i have ever read:.

Captain Obvious

Why should respect be paid to religious "authorities"? By that do you mean the silly characters in the bible, or the pedophile loving modern day ones?

False comfort is just that... False.

Your assertion above that " Scientific beliefs must find a way to accommodate themselves with the secret knowledge of the heart" is the silliest thing I've read all day. Even worse than that WT quote above. WTF is "the secret knowledge of the heart"? Are you asserting that deep down we all know god is real but we make this shit up (along with the mountains of proven facts) so that we can do what we want? Are we making this up so we can ignore the bible's rules? You, sir, are the one making the supernatural claims, and inserting the supernatural into your observations. Nobody needs to disprove the supernatural.

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AVOIDING A SHEPHERDING CALL: Suggestions pls

by grumblecakes in

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yup got a voice mail bright and early this morning "grumblecakes, we would like to schedule a shepherding call".. how do i get outta this?.

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thanks!!

Captain Obvious

How badly do you think you would do? How far along in your fade are you? Keep in mind turning down a shep call will put you on the radar. Stopping service then turning down 'loving encouragement' from the elders? Apostadar goes BEEP BEEP BEEP. Especially after the vile hate speech apostates talk at the DC.

My wife and I had one around November I think... I decided to go through with it. I explained that I'm doing fine, thanked the brothers for their concern and told them I'd start service again when I'm ready. Which is course is never.

Best thing I ever did. Never was asked again for a report slip or given a talk slip. It was actually a huge help to my fade. No more 'missed you on Saturday' or anything.

Just something to consider. After the boys read you the guilt/fear/obligation act, they're out of ideas if they don't smell apostate. You'll either fade from their minds as being taken care of, or you'll be a fish they don't want to fry.

Do you have a CO visit coming up? If so then you just have to make it through a couple more before he stops asking about you.

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MAYBE THE DUMBEST THING I'VE EVER READ

by Bloody Hotdogs! in

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[endif]i was just sent the article "creation declares the glory of god!

i think it might contain the stupidest paragraph i have ever read:.

Captain Obvious

SBF.... Wow.... Materialism assumes materialism and therefore if circular and requires faith? Hmm. No.

Does assuming materialism mean assuming the non supernatural? Material can assume material, because material can be proven with evidence. No need for the assumption that god did it any more than we need to assume aliens did it. You, in that statement are the one inserting the supernatural. You wanna talk about circular?

If god leaves the story of Adam and Eve as a matter of faith rather than provide a flood of evidence... Why doesn't he at least provide a scrap of evidence that could at least try? Why make a person of faith ignore a mountain of evidence to the contrary in order to believe? How loving is that?

Cofty hit the nail on the head. Science makes god redundant. He was a fine explanation for the unexplainable for thousands of years, but we don't need sky daddy anymore. The bible is simply contradictory of fact. It is incompatible with what we can readily see and prove on earth. If god is so powerful, why not give us a better book? One that doesn't need to be excused away constantly.

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Proof of Noah's Flood - Presently watching a Documentary about Europe & the Ice Age

by *lost* in

first time i ever heard anyone say there was 'proof' of noah's flood.. very interesting,.

showed a trawler, where the team dredges regularly in the north sea - for animal bones, massive land animal bones, mammoths.. he said, originally, the bones were sent for analysis, and the dr stated, they were proof of noah's flood.. the north sea area was a land mass of dry grazing lands.

and it was very similar to africa.. many bones were found in london, of lions, hippos, etc ... when they were digging out the underground.. .

Captain Obvious

And that is proof why? Because some of the uneducated public might be so uninformed about the early earth that they might believe it?

sad

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Shocking talk from 2013 District Convention urges parents to shun disfellowshipped children

by cedars in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yldwe_6jsu.

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cedars.

Captain Obvious

I was shaking from anger in my seat at the DC during this talk. I couldn't help but be visibly pissed off.

It's disgusting the way they shrug off the responsibility onto their imaginary deity. "It's Jehovah's arrangement" they say. "We must remain loyal to Jehovah" they say. Not a word about the loyalty they expect themselves to their cult. This whole DC was very cultish. 3 days of nonsense about "truth" and not a word about how to actually distinguish truth from untruth.

Basically if its said from the platform or in one of the pubs, its true. If it disagrees, it's untrue. Oh yah and apostates are mentally diseased, and only lie all the time. Their words are Satans, you don't want to listen to Satans words do you?! Disgusting.

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You atheist really annoyed me

by confusedandalone in

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when i first came to this site.

whenever i would try to talk about somethign from the bible that the jw's got wrong or reason on a scripture that had so much feeling you would stomp all over it.

talking about "flying spaghetti gods" and laugh at what seemed to be my expense and then leave the thread never to return and add any substance.

Captain Obvious

Hi Confused,

While some of us can be a bit brutal at times, we've all been through exactly what you're talking about. It can be a bit brutal to hear at first, but once you see the bible for what it is, it's hard to see someone asking honest questions about the bible. The best answers they can get are still people's opinions. The bible still needs interpretation. Could the creator of the universe not write a book that we could understand?

Another poster mentioned The Atheist Experience on YouTube. For me it was watching debate after debate on YouTube with Chris Hitchens or Richard Dawkins debating theistic "scientists." Time after time the theists' arguments were dismantled in a logical fashion, then torn down.

What also helped me was reading the bible honestly. Try this: read right from Gen 1:1 with open eyes. Don't read anything into it, and don't make any excuses for it. See how many chapters you can get through before you're an atheist too.

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MONEY!! I want more of it.... any ideas??

by wallsofjericho in

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i am trying to come up with ideas to make some extra cash on the side.

ive got a few irons in the fire but i am always game for new ideas.. what do you do?.

-buy and sell from ebay?.

Captain Obvious

The first order of business would be to spend less. I don't mean be so tigh people make jokes, jut see if you can spend $500 less every month, and put that into savings. Where do you live? US? Canada?

For most of us, if our income goes up our expenses do too.

What do you usually do for work? Can you switch jobs to a better paying one? Easier said than done of course...

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What Is The Most Absurd JW Belief or View?

by minimus in

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there are many silly doctines and viewpoints.. one of the strangest ones is the blood doctrine.. why anyone could logically accept this belief is beyond reason..

Captain Obvious

Most absurd - all of their teachings regarding the flood. They teach that: Noah actually existed, and was as old as the bible says he was. Nephilim were real. The earth has a vapour barrier,or "water canopy" around it. Animals were not mean, and didn't eat meat. Neither did humans. Noah preached about Jehovah and the coming flood when he wasn't busy chopping trees down and building a 450 foot long boat. Which in their paintings is the shape of a chocolate bar. Jehovah then had two of EVERY species of animal on earth come and fit into this boat. The flood waters came, covered all of the earth even the highest mountains. Noah still did Family Worship on the ark.

Oh, and this was only 4500 years ago.

They teach all of these things as fact, they even still have articles and talks about it. Even the water canopy thing and that animals didn't eat meat. Wow.

Not their most absurd by impossibility, but most harmful would be the blood doctrine. I cringe when I wonder what could have happened had I or someone close to me been seriously injured and needed blood.